I'm taking the sump off my 1939 Fourteen to give it a clean out and the filter cover has been royally mullered in the past by ham-fisted mechanics and no socket properly fits. Is it possible to remove the sump without removing the filter cover and filter first? It'll be easier to get the cover off with the sump on the bench.
Thanks.
Sump removal
Re: Sump removal
Sadly, no.
The fllter cover screws into the boss on the sump and the attached filter locates into the oil pump. The RSR's 1939-1947 parts list is helpful in visualising this and new supplies have arrived recently. They can be ordered via the members area of the website.
As regards the filter cover, a single hexagon socket may help or use a large stilson wrench.
hope this helps
Mike
The fllter cover screws into the boss on the sump and the attached filter locates into the oil pump. The RSR's 1939-1947 parts list is helpful in visualising this and new supplies have arrived recently. They can be ordered via the members area of the website.
As regards the filter cover, a single hexagon socket may help or use a large stilson wrench.
hope this helps
Mike
Re: Sump removal
In the end I had to go neanderthal with a Stilson. I'll get a new one at some point but for now tapped a socket on for reassembly. The mesh was clean and not much sludge in the sump.
Has anyone fitted an external full-flow oil filter? I have one on my 1928 Alvis and it is comforting when the cost of engine wear is considered.
Has anyone fitted an external full-flow oil filter? I have one on my 1928 Alvis and it is comforting when the cost of engine wear is considered.
Re: Sump removal
Just personally, I think having a separate filtration system is both a waste of money, space and adds an extra complication to go wrong. What you have written says it all. The sump was clean.
A full flow system (as I understand it - all oil filtered before being pumped)on these would not be possible without significant modifications. A bypass system is the best that can be achieved,as with the two examples below.
The 2O I have was the only one of these models fitted with a separate filter as standard prewar (see note below)but the previous owner told me he had removed it many years ago as it was of no noticeable benefit. I still have the necessary bits but they will stay with it in the 'relics' collection
The ex Les Bentley tourer I have does have a separate filter plumbed into the oil gauge pipe and tappet cover. If it had not been added long ago and I am trying to keep the car pretty much as it was in the 50s, I would probably have taken it off as I view the external connections as just something that could go wrong on a design that is to be commended for its simplicity.
I was travelling to Glamis once 30 years ago and the RM Riley I driving suddenly lost oil pressure due to the filter coming adrift and losing all the oil. Long slightly amusing story could follow but I'll save it. Since then I have viewed all external filters with suspicion. The next year I made the same journey in torrential rain in a 1939 Rover 14 without incident , causing me over the years to re-evaluate just how good that car was (FLH894, in case someone reading is now it's fortunate owner).
The most recent story to reinforce my view on oily things is a young lad round here with a Herald who had been supplied by a Major Firm with the wrong canister filter, wrong way round non return valve, and the engine was wrecked. I know these are extreme tales but the original Rover design is simple , reliable and I think it's up to the task. Just change the oil often enough!
I have just found, in Freewheel of August 2005, an article/promotion on a rare earth magnet fitted to a sump drain plug, a la Minis (and 1300s ?) They were available from David Taylor. Is he still doing them 20 years later, I wonder ?
P.S. , I did send you a message on the PM system and thank you again .
P.P.S
A Fram external filter was a post war option, T517 for a 12,14 or 16
I am reading through all the Freewheels from 1968 and have just reached Feb 2019, page 7, Richard Bryant collecting his resprayed 16 SS, Agatha:
"Agatha decided to have a major oil leak which turned out to be that the hoses between the engine and the external Fram oil filter had reached the end of their natural life."
QED
A full flow system (as I understand it - all oil filtered before being pumped)on these would not be possible without significant modifications. A bypass system is the best that can be achieved,as with the two examples below.
The 2O I have was the only one of these models fitted with a separate filter as standard prewar (see note below)but the previous owner told me he had removed it many years ago as it was of no noticeable benefit. I still have the necessary bits but they will stay with it in the 'relics' collection
The ex Les Bentley tourer I have does have a separate filter plumbed into the oil gauge pipe and tappet cover. If it had not been added long ago and I am trying to keep the car pretty much as it was in the 50s, I would probably have taken it off as I view the external connections as just something that could go wrong on a design that is to be commended for its simplicity.
I was travelling to Glamis once 30 years ago and the RM Riley I driving suddenly lost oil pressure due to the filter coming adrift and losing all the oil. Long slightly amusing story could follow but I'll save it. Since then I have viewed all external filters with suspicion. The next year I made the same journey in torrential rain in a 1939 Rover 14 without incident , causing me over the years to re-evaluate just how good that car was (FLH894, in case someone reading is now it's fortunate owner).
The most recent story to reinforce my view on oily things is a young lad round here with a Herald who had been supplied by a Major Firm with the wrong canister filter, wrong way round non return valve, and the engine was wrecked. I know these are extreme tales but the original Rover design is simple , reliable and I think it's up to the task. Just change the oil often enough!
I have just found, in Freewheel of August 2005, an article/promotion on a rare earth magnet fitted to a sump drain plug, a la Minis (and 1300s ?) They were available from David Taylor. Is he still doing them 20 years later, I wonder ?
P.S. , I did send you a message on the PM system and thank you again .
P.P.S
A Fram external filter was a post war option, T517 for a 12,14 or 16
I am reading through all the Freewheels from 1968 and have just reached Feb 2019, page 7, Richard Bryant collecting his resprayed 16 SS, Agatha:
"Agatha decided to have a major oil leak which turned out to be that the hoses between the engine and the external Fram oil filter had reached the end of their natural life."
QED
Re: Sump removal
Was a conclution reached as to:
"Is it possible to remove the sump without removing the filter cover and filter first? It'll be easier to get the cover off with the sump on the bench"?
I'm looking to doing the same
"Is it possible to remove the sump without removing the filter cover and filter first? It'll be easier to get the cover off with the sump on the bench"?
I'm looking to doing the same
Re: Sump removal
See my post above (15th April) in short yes but the conclusion is no!
"The filter cover and filter." There is no separate filter cover. The brass cover is threaded into the boss in the sump. The filter behind it engages with the oil pump pickup.
There is a very helpful illustrated parts list published by the RSR, It has been reprinted will shortly be available via the RSR website.
Hope this helps
Mike
"The filter cover and filter." There is no separate filter cover. The brass cover is threaded into the boss in the sump. The filter behind it engages with the oil pump pickup.
There is a very helpful illustrated parts list published by the RSR, It has been reprinted will shortly be available via the RSR website.
Hope this helps
Mike