New old stock
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New old stock
My name is Tim and I have just joined the RSR forum. I have owned many P4s P5s and SD1s since my first rover 90 in 1973. In the late seventies when spares for my P4s were drying up from main dealers I contacted British Leyland and they told me who were their suppliers. I was able to buy remaining stock they had on the shelf and started my parts business advertising in Exchange & mart, RSR and the newly formed RP4DG.
In 2010 I acquired a share of Richard Stennings stock after he passed away, likewise from Phil Beton's widow 4 years ago.
it is now time for me to retire and I shall be posting quantities of mainly P4 parts I have left on the shelves.
Meantime if you require front / rear wheel cylinder and master cylinder kits, Water pump parts, Cooling hoses, Rubber suspension components, front wheel and rear axle bearings. Oil seals, king pin parts too many to list individually please let me know. All original made for Rover SKF or Timken parts
I also have a few P3 parts which I will list
Tim Dorney
In 2010 I acquired a share of Richard Stennings stock after he passed away, likewise from Phil Beton's widow 4 years ago.
it is now time for me to retire and I shall be posting quantities of mainly P4 parts I have left on the shelves.
Meantime if you require front / rear wheel cylinder and master cylinder kits, Water pump parts, Cooling hoses, Rubber suspension components, front wheel and rear axle bearings. Oil seals, king pin parts too many to list individually please let me know. All original made for Rover SKF or Timken parts
I also have a few P3 parts which I will list
Tim Dorney
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hello tam new to the older car I have always had p5/p6 I have bought a 1946 p2 and the king pins need attention I don't know if you have any thing that might help me ,.I also need a steering box
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Dex1961
I have a used P2 steering box attached to the column, drag link and wheel!
I will have a look at it over the weekend and check it out.It came with one of my cars and I believe it is in decent condition.
I am near Stratford upon Avon.Whereabouts are you?
David
I have a used P2 steering box attached to the column, drag link and wheel!
I will have a look at it over the weekend and check it out.It came with one of my cars and I believe it is in decent condition.
I am near Stratford upon Avon.Whereabouts are you?
David
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thanks David I am in Manchester my steering has rendered the car unusable aim a bit sick about it as I wanted to see how she drove only bought her about two weeks ago cam new to the older car
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Hi Dex,
Have you taken the box out yet? If so, it is pretty straight forward to take the top off and investigate why it is seized. Given, the limited availability of replacements it would certainly be worth a look. These are my initial thoughts:
All that really exists within the box is the worm drive at the base of the main steering column and a large bronze nut that it moves up and down. This, in turn, swivels the drop rod that connects to the steering beneath the car. With the box and column in a vice and the top removed (plate where oil filler is) you should be able to see what is wrong. My guess is that the oil will have leaked away and the box has run dry of lubricant. If this is the case you should be able to free it up and get some oil in there. I have found that a mixture of grease and engine oil creates a thick enough solution that won’t drip out of the bottom seals. There are proper lubricants available to do the same thing.
The bits that usually suffer wear are the worm and nut and to address this it used to be a recognised fix to replace the bronze nut with an undersized item. I.e the threaded part of the nut was tighter than the original. However, when first fitted the nut would be so tight on the worm drive that it was almost impossible to turn. The solution was to used metal polish on the drive until the nut was ‘cut’ to an exact fit, thereby taking much of the play out of the steering. I did this with my Tourer box over 40 years ago and used valve grinding paste to make it fit.
I don’t think these nuts are available now but that doesn’t mean your car hasn’t been repaired with one and inadequately ground to fit, making the steering hard to turn.
The final thought is the steering column bearings, which should be easy enough to lubricator to get extra movement. The race sits at the top close to where the indicator control clamps on. If this was seized the steering could get hard to turn.
Hope that helps.
Tony.
Have you taken the box out yet? If so, it is pretty straight forward to take the top off and investigate why it is seized. Given, the limited availability of replacements it would certainly be worth a look. These are my initial thoughts:
All that really exists within the box is the worm drive at the base of the main steering column and a large bronze nut that it moves up and down. This, in turn, swivels the drop rod that connects to the steering beneath the car. With the box and column in a vice and the top removed (plate where oil filler is) you should be able to see what is wrong. My guess is that the oil will have leaked away and the box has run dry of lubricant. If this is the case you should be able to free it up and get some oil in there. I have found that a mixture of grease and engine oil creates a thick enough solution that won’t drip out of the bottom seals. There are proper lubricants available to do the same thing.
The bits that usually suffer wear are the worm and nut and to address this it used to be a recognised fix to replace the bronze nut with an undersized item. I.e the threaded part of the nut was tighter than the original. However, when first fitted the nut would be so tight on the worm drive that it was almost impossible to turn. The solution was to used metal polish on the drive until the nut was ‘cut’ to an exact fit, thereby taking much of the play out of the steering. I did this with my Tourer box over 40 years ago and used valve grinding paste to make it fit.
I don’t think these nuts are available now but that doesn’t mean your car hasn’t been repaired with one and inadequately ground to fit, making the steering hard to turn.
The final thought is the steering column bearings, which should be easy enough to lubricator to get extra movement. The race sits at the top close to where the indicator control clamps on. If this was seized the steering could get hard to turn.
Hope that helps.
Tony.
Tony Gilbert
P1 12 Tourer
P2 12 6 Light Saloon
Discovery 3
Discovery Sport
P1 12 Tourer
P2 12 6 Light Saloon
Discovery 3
Discovery Sport
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thank Tony I took the day off today and drove to Birmingham taking the steering box with me and I left it with ics steering to see what they can do repair
or remanufacture . a rough guide £300/£500 I didn't think that was bad .the top bearing at wheel end had completely collapsed so they will sort that as well two to three weeks giving me time to sort out little bits .are these cars negative earth someone has fitted l e d light bulbs in the small wing lights so have to come out for me still need to find some door checks
or remanufacture . a rough guide £300/£500 I didn't think that was bad .the top bearing at wheel end had completely collapsed so they will sort that as well two to three weeks giving me time to sort out little bits .are these cars negative earth someone has fitted l e d light bulbs in the small wing lights so have to come out for me still need to find some door checks
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Hello
ICS rebuilt the steering box for my 12 a few years ago and I’m still very pleased with the result. I can’t remember the exact cost but it was about £400.
DaveM
ICS rebuilt the steering box for my 12 a few years ago and I’m still very pleased with the result. I can’t remember the exact cost but it was about £400.
DaveM
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replaced my box and still have a lot of play in the steering I replaced all four tyres for new this seems to help a bit so my next step is all the ball joints on the steering linkage to be renewed